Government to allow 230,000 LMIA-exempt TFWs to come to Canada under IMP annually

The government plans to allow 230,000 temporary foreign workers (TFWs) to enter Canada annually under the International Mobility Program(IMP), which allows employers to bring in workers from abroad without proving the need for imported labour, according to a Gazette notification by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

This is in addition to the more than 120,000 mostly low-skilled workers who come to Canada each year under the Temporary Foreign Worker Program (TFWP), where employers are required to obtain a positive Labour Market Impact Assessment(LMIA) by proving that there are no suitable Canadians to fill the vacancies.

The IMP has come under heavy criticism following a report by the Parliamentary Budget Officer(PBO) show that the government has no knowledge about what jobs many of the IMP foreign workers do after they come to Canada.

“Since 2002, their number has grown at a faster pace than workers requiring an LMIA,” Jean-Denis Frechette wrote in the report. “Moreover, in 45 per cent of the cases in 2012, the government was not aware of the occupational skill level of foreign workers, up from 22 per cent in 2002.”

“It is unclear why Canadian employers chose to hire foreign workers in lower-skilled occupations when most domestic workers, whether employed or not, would possess the required skill set to fill these positions,” Frechette said.

Even when employers are struggling to fill vacancies, offering a higher salary would attract Canadians from areas with lower employment to take those jobs, the PBO reported.

A series of foreign worker program abuse scandals last year caused a public outcry forcing Immigration minister Chris Alexander and the former employment minister Jason Kenney to introduce a raft or reforms including tough new guidelines employers had to follow to import labour, but the opposition has accused the government of reneging on the promises made to the public.

“As job losses mount in Alberta, the Conservatives are busy making it easier for employers to hire temporary foreign workers,” NDP MP Jinny Sims, the official opposition critic for employment, said in Parliament. “We learned that they secretly made a deal with Alberta to allow employers there to exceed the 30% cap.”

“Just like they have so many times before, the Conservatives made a big splashy announcement about cracking down, and now they are quietly creating loopholes,” she added.

264 Responses to Government to allow 230,000 LMIA-exempt TFWs to come to Canada under IMP annually

  1. Anonymous says:

    It’s a good thing that with the sky high oil prices the economy is booming and nobody is being laid off.

    • Anonymous says:

      You must be being sarcastic. Or you have no idea what’s happening….. Hopefully sarcasim wins here

    • Anonymous says:

      Wake up, there was approx. 5000 skilled workers just laid off in northern Alberta

    • Anonymous says:

      the Canadian government should not allow any foreign immigrants in our country we have enough of them in here nowif they don’t stop allowing for new immigrants in our country I probably will have to go on welfare cuz I won’t have a job

      • Anonymous says:

        you are right, they should stop encouraging the immigration consultancies and government colleges not lure the foreign nationals for a better life and to come here and spend double or triple the fees compared to a citizen or pr. and all citizens and pr should protest by not licking the government funds which they are getting by squeezing these immigrants..!

      • Anonymous says:

        you should start kick your ass….get a job

      • rob says:

        I was laid of from a large foreign Company in Calgary. However there are many LMIA(?) still working.
        there was no reason I have excellent work record. The reason was cost cutting measure.
        I have nothing against this temporary workers but companies are totally misusing this and hurting the Canadians present in the country. In my opinion they are being exploited and benefited from their situation and dumped later on tax payers dollars ruining their and every ones quality of life while the company make money.

    • Anonymous says:

      Since when do you class a driver as low skilled?? Passing your Class 1 is just the tip of the Iceberg…

    • Anonymous says:

      Uneducated comment

  2. Terry says:

    Here’s something for the hypocrites to chew on… IF we were to send foreign aid to these families, we’d here how they don’t earn it. And when they do come and work doing the jobs Canadians don’t want to do, they are criticized for doing it.

    Face it, you’re a hypocrite! And what’s worse, you have a sense of entitlement based on where you were born. You are completely unable to put yourself into their shoes – to imagine what their lives are like and what their sacrifices could be like. You, with all of your toys and gadgets, looking down on hard-working individuals who sacrifice so much just to support their families.

    What a joke – the jobs ARE available to Canadians, but they aren’t interested to go work picking apples and digging potatoes. Sure they may have done it as a teen, but it’s not what you’d call a solid career choice.

    Do YOU want a job picking apples? If so, then why the hell haven’t you gone and applied for the job? You haven’t and you have no intention of doing so. You are just complaining because of your sense of entitlement.

    Foreign workers however make GREAT SACRIFICES to come to Canada and stay many months away from their families. They save just about every dime they earn for their families. They live on next to nothing, and don’t have all of the toys and gadgets Canadians carry around.

    Canadians care. If you find yourself not caring, perhaps it is YOU who should consider leaving Canada.

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe you should shut the fuck up Terry

      • Michael says:

        He’s right, Perhaps you should delete your comment and just shut the fuck up yourself!!

      • Anonymous says:

        Nice I second that

        • anonymous says:

          I agree shut up. There are plenty of trades people in this country struggling to find work and to have those jobs taken by tfw’s who are not even to our skill level is disgusting. I get that everyone needs jobs but how about we take care of those in our own back yard first and worry about other people in other countries after. The only reason these companies hire them is because they’re cheaper labor end of story.

          • Anonymous says:

            I second this, companies take advantage of this to much. I also work in the trades And the first guys to get layoffs are not foriegn workers

          • Anonymous says:

            A few years ago a major Ontario trucking company ADMITTED in an interview they hired foreign workers solely because they did the work cheaper then Canadian workers and it had absolutely nothing to do with skills or level of training. Until they, foreign workers are required to have the skill level and training as a Canadian worker, how can you justify replacing Canadians with foreign workers???Especially when my wife has applied to major retailers in Canada, she has not completed high school and been told she is over qualified for the job but they will give the job to foreign worker???? PLease explain that justification to me??? Canadian employers want cheaper wages so they have pushed the government to bring in foreign workers so they can pay less in wages and that is all it boils down to. It has nothing to do with Canadians not wanting the work, its employers wanting to save a buck thats it.

          • Anonymous says:

            Bravo Terry, I just read a comment from such good carrying Canadian who just justified because my name is Gisele I was a foreigner and I should go back to my country

          • Anonymous says:

            You are wrong. I pay all my employees the same wage, PR or foreign workers, I would love to pay Canadians but they do not apply, please feel free to apply I’m always short staff is cleaning something that you would love to do?

          • Anonymous says:

            aman to that

          • Anonymous says:

            Yes cheaper but excellent worker. Not a high demanding person but LAZY…

        • Joe says:

          I know people in Halifax that couldn’t get basic jobs at box stores or fast food because they didn’t want them. They wanted TFW’s over us. These jobs will never go to Canadians till this TFW nonsense is over. Hell they were firing long time workers at RBC to replace them with TFW’s asking the people who were being fired to train them!

      • Anonymous says:

        U r probably one of those refugee who doesnt understand english

    • don says:

      What a joke – the jobs ARE available to Canadians, but they aren’t interested to go work picking apples and digging potatoes. Sure they may have done it as a teen, but it’s not what you’d call a solid career choice.
      HOW MANY EFFING TIMES DO YOU CONS USE THAT ARGUMENT TO TRY AND BACK UP TFWS. SICK OF IT, TRY SOMETHING NEW, LIKE MAYBE COMMON SENSE. BETTER YET, TAKE A TRIP TO A COUNTRY WHERE THESE TFW’S COME FROM AND LIVE THERE. GET THE EFF OUT OF CANADA DICKHEAD.

      • Joe says:

        I know, the TFW’s were stealing Accounting, manager and other good paying jobs from Canadians ALREADY DOING THEM! Banks making record profit were asking employee’s to train the people that were stealing their jobs!

        Anyone on this threat that says that moronic argument about picking applies and Canadians don’t want to work should be taken out back and beaten. Try and Google TFW stealing Canadians jobs then come back and defend that BS program.

      • Char says:

        Foreign workers are not coming to Canada for the sole purpose of “stealing our jobs” you sound like a piece of shit xenophobic redneck. These people are applying for jobs, and the CANADIAN employer chooses to hire them, while also paying them shit wages and forcing them to work twice as hard for that money. So stop criticizing the men and women who are really just looking for a better life and start taking a critical eye to your fabulously patriotic political leaders and the greasy fucking employers who find loopholes and fuck everything up for, not only hopeful immigrants, but their fellow Canadians as well. Words like this make me ashamed to be Canadian. A lot of you could stand to have some tolerance and some good sense before you open your computer or mouth.

    • DAVE says:

      The TFW’s are not coming here only to pick apples and digging potatos. They come here to work in the skilled trades, while in many cases being totally unqualified to do the work. I have worked with “skilled tradesmen” from other countries that had passed the red seal steamfitter exam yet had no idea on how to do the basic tasks of the trade. Some of them were at the first year apprentice level, yet were earning journeyman wages.

      The reason the corporations bring in the TFW’s is not because there are no Canadians willing to do the work, but to drive down the wages of Canadian workers.

      And as far as the Conservatives statements that no Canadian worker would be displaced by a TFW, I was working at the Husky Sunrise site when I was laid off, and they brought in TFW’s to do the work I was ready, willing and able to do. The government did nothing to stop this abuse of the TFW program. This was not an isolated incident. Pacer laid off their Canadian Ironworkers at CNRL and replaced them with TFW’s. Companies have been known to shuffle TFW’s around to different sites and lay off Canadian workers.

      I am a red seal steamfitter off work since November and trying to obtain employment. There are still thousands of TFW’s working in my trade in the oilsands, and the employers want to bring in more because of a “shorage” of skilled workers. Perhaps they should put a stop to bringing in TFW’s and hire and train Canadian workers to fill Canadian jobs.

      • Anonymous says:

        I’ll call bullshit there. I work for a manufacturing company that is heavily involved in food plants. We tried to hire locally, then provincially, and finally Canada wide. We could not however find the welders, and machinists we required and had no other option but to bring people in from other countries so that our company could grow and with enough manpower to complete the jobs. Based on skill level these employees are paid on par with anyone else in their trade in manitoba with the same benefits. The problem with people in this country is that they feel the jobs should come to them. That isn’t how it works. And as long as people are unwilling to move where the work is, foreign workers will continue to be brought in.

        • Anonymous says:

          The PBO has already offered the solution: Even when employers are struggling to fill vacancies, offering a higher salary would attract Canadians from areas with lower employment to take those jobs.

        • Anonymous says:

          And you were paying how much????

        • Anonymous says:

          Is your organization offering flexibility to workers such as job sharing, two weeks in and one out, that sort of thing, or are you requiring people to move to the city and set up house?

          I am curious to know if your organization has cycled through and retained foreign staff once they have put in the mandatory time required to gain their PR and bring their families.

          This is not a criticism, I am interested. Being from Victoria, people come and don’t like to leave and it is very easy to work full time under the table.

        • Hayley says:

          This article is talking about low skill jobs. I don’t think welders and machinists are as “low skilled” as this article applies to..like working at Tim Hortons, etc.

          • Dan says:

            With Canada’s new fast track immigration program that kicked in jan 1st of this year for ( professionals /skilled workers ) a 1st year apprentice who has about the same skill
            Level as a kid fresh out of high school can apply to come to canada and seek permanent residence as they are qualified under the program … No lmo needed .. They set the bar pretty low on that one.. And with thousands of ( real skilled tradesman being laid off in droves) … It’s an attack pure and simple on Canadian wages and living standards ..fat corporate pigs will take the resources and we can all become working poor and join the third world

        • david snowdon says:

          im a steamfitter as well dave un employed . its time for a revolution or we will lose everything . and anonymous you are also misinfiormed ill go anywhere anytime the little bit of work for me is in alberta but the tfws are still working without credentials while canadian skilld labour are being laid off in droves . if want your comments to mean anything how about you show us your name until then you shut the fuck up you coward

          • Joe says:

            Agreed completely, can you imagine that in Halifax we have 10’s of thousands of university students that can’t find work. But yet over 1200 local businesses have put in a request for TFW’s. Almost no one is getting jobs, I see people with college / university degree’s working at places like Walmart’s automotive department. Go look at job postings here too they are beyond pathetic, we need a masters degree with 10 years experience to answer the phones, making minimum wage. Employers will not give us a chance, I’m all for us rising up and just sitting in every intersection and shutting down all our cities. I don’t get a job and future, why should anyone else?

            The US and Canadian stock markets have never been higher, the rich never richer. where’s my spot in our society I was among-st the top of my class? Anyone think you can jail 1-10 million poor Canadians at 50-120,000 a year each? ya didn’t think so either. If we just marched down the rich neighborhoods and shut them down what could anyone do?

        • david snowdon says:

          pick a side anonymous

        • Anonymous says:

          Retard. Your not listening. There are an abundance of skilled tradesmen willing to go where the work is…sitting around on EI well foreigners work the jobs that skilled Canadian tradesmen should get. Dumb ass

        • someone that knows says:

          you are full of crap, for i am on the job banks canada wide every day and I have my certificates fr welding and i apply and I never get calls or they go through the process and then say the jobs are filled. I am actually working now for 10.30 and hour for that is all I can do and I am having to go to food banks now and have 5 people jammed into a 2 bedroom for I cant even afford to get a bigger place right now. Tell me that is fair, and your company you work for is lying or you are for if they were hiring I know for a fact someone qualified that lived in canada would have applied, but your company wanted cheaper labor to save money.
          I do not know what terry is talking about, first the reason why companies ask Canada for foreign workers is because they can get cheep labor, for the government pays some of their wages. The companies do not want to give hard working Canadians the jobs for they do not want to pay. As for the Canadian workers, the reason why they cant take minimum wage, is if you have a family it is because you cannot survive, 100 dollars in groceries gives you 3 bags if you are lucky. rent or mortgage payments are through the roof if you want a nice place. forget owning a car or insurance. If you ask me someone has to step back in the government, stop taking large wages and large vacations, and large pensions and start giving money back to the people, and large companies to step back and start paying good wages for great Canadian workers and you will become more profitable for you will have better workers than foreign ones that cant speak English very well and not know how things work here. oh my people are blind and not very intelligent

          • expose says:

            so many jobs on the job bank are temporary agency and the job does not exist. they just want more workers in the pot

        • Anonymous says:

          Thanks someone who gets it

        • Retired Ironworker says:

          Companies like your would send a listing to our halls for work for a day or 2 so they can say they tried there best to hire Canadian workers and then be allowed to hire out of country after a certain waiting period and then keep these people for long term work. If we took the job they would send us down the road by day 2 saying job is done thanks.

          Then shortly after the posting would go back up, if a out of country worker applied they stayed as the company would receive government monies. I’m not speaking ill of TFW
          as I know, that person only wants to earn a living like all of us but the playing field should be fair.

          I retired from my trade after 38 years as an Iron Worker – (welder, connector,fitter, foreman, General and Site Supervisor). Ive seen men and woman injured and die because of lack of trade skills by untrained TWF or because of misunderstanding because of communication issues. These people were not under my supervision but the bottom line is they got hurt or are no longer here and remember everyone deserves to go home safe to there families and loved ones.

          The only way all of us can win this ordeal is to pull together as one group and quit letting the companies control our hate for each other. If we all pull together and treat each other fair and with respect then we will all come out ahead that includes us Canadians and TFW’s.

          • expose says:

            yes out in the oil sands the amount of foreign workers is very high. A newspaper reporter put an ad in the newspaper asking for canadian workers to work in the oil sands and the response was incredible. They then sent this to the Canadian Government in charge of foreign workers to prove that the amount of canadians wanting to work surpasses the need for the foreign worker. In winnipeg I believe union guys were sitting on layoff while the foregn worker continued to work and these are the union guys that end up exhausting their ei benefits and end up on welfare.

        • cj says:

          Did you try looking to your local machinists union? that tends to be a place where machinists congregate.

      • Anonymous says:

        I am working as an electrician apprentice in the oil and gas industy. It scares the shit out of me to see so many tfws in northern alberta. Most of them can’t even speak English, and in a work environment where accidents kill people, it’s unsettling. As an apprentice, I have to work with a journeyman, but the problem is the tfw journeymen electricians that don’t know how to use a meter, can’t read our safety manuals, and can’t communicate properly. It is a HUGE safety concern and I shouldn’t fear injury or death because the government is allowing this to happen. Maybe if those that are pro tfw had children working in the field beside them they could see what risks this is putting on our Canadians who are out there trying to make a living .
        In the last 9 months I was unemployed for 6. Is that acceptable? Ei doesn’t pay nearly what actually working on site does. I was ready, willing, and able to work every day, yet companies kept the tfws. Companies have ways around the loop holes. For example Studon electric has a continuously running add for electricians, so they have work right? But upon contacting them (and they don’t respond by email) they tell you that they have nothing. Why would they do that? Because they like to hire tfws. As long as no one is digging in to this, companies are getting away with it, and as long as there are ignorant people that can’t see that there are legitimate SAFETY issues, they will keep saying tfws are here to be apple pickers.
        Wake the fuck up and open your eyes. Why endanger the safety of our Canadians? I don’t even think they should be allowed in the food industry. I have had to walk out of a restaurant because of the tfw that couldn’t speak proficient English didn’t understand “shellfish allergy”. Canadians shouldn’t be living like this. They want in so bad, learn fucking English and integrate accordingly. My life is not worth their immigration.

        • you beat me to it , I was going to comment on the issue of SAFETY , I am a retired electrician with 55 years it the trade , mostly in oil refineries in Ontario. As a troubleshooter , most of the time , I can say it is scary since you have to be able to understand the language or you are going to KILL somebody .
          How in hell can you do a job safely when you don’t know what your working mate is saying ?
          Good Lord man , give your head a shake .

        • Anonymous says:

          I do believe that in some industries Canadians should be the first to get the job and language barriers shouldn’t be accepted. However you are the exception, you are willing to move where the jobs are but most of Canadians don’t

          Gisele

        • expose says:

          yes your right but the same happened in toronto when in the union foreign workers came who couldnt speak english and the foreman had their hands in the air asking what to do with them. They were a danger to all on the site in many cases.

      • Jimbo says:

        Perhaps, you should offer to work for less so that you can put food on the table. Clearly you haven’t come to terms with the real cost of labour and will continue to be outbid by less qualified workers. Clearly the Canadian level of red seal is not needed when you have enough supervisors to overlook and correct the work when needed.

        • cj says:

          ARE YOU FUCKED JIMBO? REALLY? An accident on an industrial site can’t be undone because you have 5 supervisors. You can’t bring someone back from the dead because they had so much oversight. “but how could this have happened? he had so many bosses?” FUCK RIGHT OFF JIMBO. SAFETY RULES ARE WRITTEN IN BLOOD. Don’t belittle the sacrifices of tradespeople to fight for a decent living wage under safe working conditions by saying that some TFW will do it for less therefor we must accept a race to the bottom. FUCK OFF AND DIE JIMBO!

      • expose says:

        there is not a shortage of skilled workers. What Dave says is correct. Its to drive down wages and claw back benefits of union workers out in the oil sands.

        Dave did you get extra money to top up that unemployment to your same pay. I bet not but every time there is some disaster in the oil industry the price of gas goes up. Why is that? I think its time for the oil industries to suck up any losses they get from some form of disasters because for you and lots of other canadians you suffer a huge loss when your laid off and no one gives you extra money to top up the difference between ei benefits and your regular wage.

        Heres another point as well. For anyone that worked in the oil fields-did you ever notice how there were so many foreign workers out there with absolutely no security watching them so if any of them wanted to plot something against this country they would be able to do so with no interference? Drug sniffing dogs do not find plans on papers.

    • Anonymous says:

      Pretty sure companies are just doing it fir cheap Labour genius. Why pay a Canadian 15$ an hour when a tfw will do it for 10$. Give your head a shake. Canadian teens can’t find jobs because immigrants are taking them all at cheaper prices.

      • Anonymous says:

        They are required to pay TFW +/- 10% of a typical Canadian salary for the work being offered. And minimum wage rules still apply for non piece work.

        • Anonymous says:

          The median wage is used that’s the supposed average. Look at what the alberta trades site says is the average and compare it to the median wage the government says it should be for welders. It’s a fifteen dollar drop then knock 10% off that and wonder why canadians don’t want to work for 20 dollars less.

      • Anonymous says:

        NO teens can’t find jobs because 95% of them don’t want to work they just want a pay check

      • Anonymous says:

        Do you want a secure job for $15 per hrs? Apply as a cleaner in my job, but only if you are reliable, and giving me the same quality of services as TFWKs

        • Retired Ironworker says:

          Bullshit my son was busting his ass for 12$ an hour and asked the cheap SOB for a 25cent raise to help with gas.
          He was working doing cleaning, drove his car all over to the different locations as did many of this persons workers,

          He kept coming up with stupid excuses that he kept forgetting to give the increase in funds and when my son worked a 2 week shift and only made 125$ by the time he paid for all the gas running around. He worked for this cheap shit for over a year hearing nothing but bullshit promises of raises and better hours. He would get up a 4am to do 10 hours at one place, and have to go to a different location at 11pm to do another never getting enough sleep.

          So don’t tell us that our kids are not willing to work long hard hours as that is not the truth of the matter.
          I looked at the job listings in my area and found over 350 people looking for work some just for food or what your willing to pay them.

      • no one says:

        sorry to read this comments, but i am a tfw and since i came here i never get paid less, for the 5 companies i worked for, they always pay tfws higher than their Canadian counterpart. so sad but it is true.

    • Anonymous says:

      Oh my what next!!!This is scary.Whats gonna become of our country.Stop the f.w from coming here!!!

      • Anonymous says:

        If we stop to let them come to the country, businesses are going to close because Canadians don’t to work in some industries so will that reassure you?

    • Anonymous says:

      They have laid off CANADIANS to hire these people in some cases. It’s all about getting us to work for less while they exploit people from poor countries.

      • Anonymous says:

        Agree, so let’s stop them from coming in the first place because once they get here… The intention is to stay.

      • Anonymous says:

        Nope you are wrong I pay all my employees the same wages, but as I said Canadians doesn’t want to clean

    • Anonymous says:

      I believe we make a commitment to TFWs when they come to Canada. We imply heavily and it is promoted abroad, that if they work hard, they can become Canadians and make a better life for their families.

      We need to ensure that we are not bringing people in under false pretense. It is not fair to the TFW to come to Canada, put in their time, and then be sent home to their impoverished lives. It is not surprising that many go underground.

      It is important to ensure all local and national options are thoroughly considered and exploited before TFW or temporary migrant workers are brought in.

      That said, I know many young people and not just a few older people who would be happy to work at Subway. The same cannot be said of spending the summer in the okanagan picking fruit. It is hard work that is unforgiving and there are years that farmers let their fruit rot on the tree because they cannot afford to have it picked. (Cost benefit says they will receive more benefit by losing the harvest and claiming various insurances than taking what they can get on the market).

      • Anonymous says:

        Canada was made on immigrants and if people in Canada would get off their lazy asses instead of being on welfare and go look for work we would not be having this prob these people want a better life for themselfs too u ignorant fucks

    • Anonymous says:

      I agree with you 100% Terry

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe u should leave Canada terry

      • Anonymous says:

        Who are you to tell people to leave? Wash your dirty mouth and go back to school maybe you will learn that Kanada would still be a empty land with inly the first nations on it. You hypocrite

    • Anonymous says:

      terry,It’s not about picking apples and digging potatoes, or working at fast food restaurants people are complain that industrial companies mostly are using tfw in skilled trade jobs instead of canadian Who can do the same job, and better. Canadians are getting laid off over tfw in these areas, areas Where Canadians do want jobs

    • Colin says:

      I have news for you and your way of thinking that nobody wants these jobs then complains when TFW’s get them! Your wrong and ignorant to this fact Terry I have worked in the civil earthworks industry for over 20 years, building up a great reputation, doing jobs I didn’t care for but did them to learn and to help out these companies only to get pushed out for ppl that don’t have an eighth of the skills I have required because their Labour is cheaper so in the long run this is BS and you’re an ignorant person for even putting your two cents in!

      • Jimbo says:

        Drop your labour costs and scoop up the job to keep it in Canada. KISS (keep it simple stupid)

        • Anonymous says:

          Jimbo

          Are you serious? Drop our labour cost and keep the job Canadian? If the prevailing rate for welders is 40 an hour, and we reduced it to 35, the companies would bring in TFW’s at 30. And if we reduced the labour cost to 30, the companies would bring in TFW’s at 25. Are we supposed to race them to the minimum wage? And if that happened, I have no doubt our elected representatives would try to abolish the minimum wage.

          The TFW’s are not brought in to fill a position or job that could not be filled by a Canadian worker. They are brought in because companies do not want to pay the prevailing wage. If the prevailing wage for a welder was 10 an hour, they would lobby the government to be able to bring in TFW’s for 5 an hour.

          • Anonymous says:

            I’m willing to bet that the wage stabalises between $16-$24 an hour for a welder. That is what a welder makes in the US. No need to bring in cheaper less qualified tfws at that cost.

          • Anonymous says:

            Your are a dreamer, how the heck do you think a company so working? They do need contract to respect if they don’t no business, in my industry which is janitorial I can’t pay more pay than what what my customers are willing to pay for the service. Than all the cost that we have to cary and if we do not get a profit out because we pay the staff so high that we only cover payroll and cost we can close so will this help you? I don’t think soo take a business class than I’m certain you will see than full pictures

            Gisele

      • Anonymous says:

        Colin, please don’t take it personal and give Terry a high five. Live isn’t always fair. Injustice is a over the world,

    • Anonymous says:

      Its not only low paying unskilled jobs being lost to foreigners. The construction industry which is skilled and although a hard life pays reasonably well is the real issue. Also when is the last time you have been to a Canadian Doctor? Do you think Canadians dont want to be Doctors you fucking moron!!!!!You should be shot with a ball of you own frozen shit for these comments.

      • Anonymous says:

        The issue is the young a middle age Canadians want it all good jobs and high quality of living so oh yea the can become doctors but than the want the sun and the beach too so guess what they are going to do? It is one of the reasons we have to hire foreigners, Canadians are not reliable, the have fire on their butt

    • Anonymous says:

      I’ve had my welding job taken away twice due to the company bringing in tfw’s. I work hard and don’t miss work. Maybe you should go fuck yourself. Canadian jobs are meant for canadians. This bs program is just to bring in cheaper labour for bottom feeder companies.

    • Bluenoser says:

      Yes. They take the money out of the country. How does that help our economy?
      When they give aid- it is usually in the form of materials or supplies which helps the economy. Worry about jobs for our own people before hiring them so they can take the money out of the country. If the government wants to subsidize jobs then do it for our people not the foreigners.

      • Anonymous says:

        I certainly agree. If these TSF#@? Would maybe keep the money in Canada. And not take as was stated earlier their hard working dollar to their contry maybe we wouldn’t see such a blow.to.our economics. I agree that the best thing to do is raise minimum wage and make it Illegal to hire a TSF over a willing Canadian

      • Anonymous says:

        Where are you taking your money hey? Mexico, cuba, where hypocrite

      • Kate says:

        Not all TFWs take money out of the country. Some of us come here, and bring money from our home countries.

        My job is not subsidized, and I play plenty of taxes for the privilege of being here.

    • Anonymous says:

      Hey terry what about greedy corporations using tfw to drop wages. Skilled labour isn’t cheap. Cheap labour isn’t skilled. Bet your the slum lord slave driving business owner type.

      • Jimbo says:

        But good supervision can make bring that cheap labour up to code. Stop being greedy, work for less or move away and let a deserving person keep your job.

      • Anonymous says:

        Do you think so? Well let me tell you something, soon a cleaner will become a high skills workers and do you know why? Because you do not want to do it, so we still need someone cleaning hotels rooms or your homes so if you can’t find anyone what do you do?

    • Anonymous says:

      Entitlement because where we were born? Alberta attracts people from all over Canada that move here, become a community fixture, that supports the provinces economy. They are permanently here not just for a cash grab. There’s a difference

    • Anonymous says:

      This is why most foreign people are driving around in lincolns and land rovers.They come here to make money to send back to their country thus making their economy stronger and lowering ours, also I am sure you are the first to complain when the so called foreign worker gets your order wrong 95% of the time when you get your timmies or any other place they work for that matter.

      • Anonymous says:

        Lol. Love it. There if anything should be at least a minimum level of understanding of our contries rules amd regs. Im not gunna go to a foriegn contry and ask them to.speak English to appease me.

    • Terry's Mom says:

      Yes, shut the fuck up Terry.

    • Hayley says:

      Dear Terry,
      Read the article properly..allowing a large number of TFW’s to come to Canada doesn’t help our economy one bit for starters, the greater amount of money they make is sent back to their counties. (Yes, foreign workers make sacrifices, so do Canadians!) In addition, bringing in foreign workers allows employers to pay the pathetic minimum wage and little to no benefits, and defers the pressure to raise minimum wage. Most people who are unemployed are probably bringing in more on E.I or welfare than they would working in these low skilled jobs. Don’t even try to guilt trip Canadians for wanting a positive future for other Canadians.

    • Anonymous says:

      Hey terry. Why don’t you fuck off

    • david snowdon says:

      i lost my job im highlly skilled and ticketed . tfws are still working while not having canadian certification . you are obviously still working when you shouldnt be because you are obviously anti canadian as well as a misinformed loud mouth piece of shit

    • david snowdon says:

      ive been on the road my whole life sacrificing everything for work terry if you were in front of me right now id be in jail you sir are a fucking blowhard fucking moron , get out of our country you dont belong here

    • Anonymous says:

      Terry your statement is totally wrong canada doesnt need 230000 persons to pick apples and potatoes and another thing i travel 4000 miles from my family to work on a monthly basis maybe you should think before you talk i work out west and theres already too many tfws in canada taking canadian money and spending it in other contries you obviously dont have a clue whats going on in our country im well qualified for my job and ive seen companies send us home and give our work to TFWS so educate yourself before posting shit like that……

    • Anonymous says:

      What you are saying maybe correct , but i work in the oil sands and skilled canadian workers that i know got laid off and foriegn workers from ireland was keep on . This is the kind of thing that pisses me off . And the government turns a blind eye . It seems that other countries look out for their citezens first and canada looks out for canadians last . It’s a joke and the sooner harper is gone the better canada will be .

    • fuxkn sick to death says:

      Listen you asshole terry!! I haven’t been able to work in my own home province for 3 goddamn years cause of no work!! Cause these Fuxkn useless foreigner come over here and try and turn Canada Into the Shit hole they came from. Siting thier religious beliefs as law. Scabbibg jobs for lower pay. Why the Fuck should Canadians lower our level of standards for some other Gkddamn country???? If the useless government would give a living wage there wouldn’t be an issue. Keep bringing in these forigen workers and there won’t be jobs for our children. 230, 000 a year!!!! Jesus what is in your head?? Must really be up your ass you conservative fuxk.

    • Jonful says:

      The problem isn’t the potato diggers, or the fruit pickers, or the fast food workers. It’s the electricians, the welders, the iron workers and the engineers. These are high paying jobs that ought to be going to Canadians first. These programs should be cancelled until there isn’t a single Canadian tradesman who is unemployed.

    • Peter says:

      Your spot on I think, most Canadiens do have a sense of entitlement.They don’t want to take crappy jobs, but at the same time they want to participate in the workforce. I have had hard jobs All my life, but I like it that way.I would like to see what these high skill jobs really are that Canadians can’t fill.I think it’s probably just a sham cause they have millions to invest, but don’t want to lose control so the more. Complicated the job the more trained the employees need To be.The more trained the less of a free thinker they will have to answer to.

    • Anonymous says:

      Am I missing something? When I was in Alberta I never saw apple trees or potato fields.

      Reading those regulations it appears to me that there are no limits on what kinds of jobs they can take furthermore the employer doesn’t even have to prove that he can’t find a Canadian.

    • Anonymous says:

      let them stay where they are they are not our responsibility,they come here to work and send every spare cent back to their foreign country, Is that good for Canada’s economy? I think not!!! it is life they they endure whatever it is from where ever place they come from, I have no pity for them,I see every day an over run parade of foreign people taking jobs from the honest hard working people when my friends and family can’t get work, and they are ready, willing and able to fufil these positions,do you think it is making us a better country letting them in to take the work from us, every job here is first and fore most for Canadians and you have the nerve to defend tfw”s, you should be ashamed of yourself, better yet your kind is not wanted in our country so get to hell out and take the rest of your kind with you, I think an uprising is in order to fix the government and take this country back for we the tax payers of Canada, If you would like to confront me personally about this matter then leave me a message and I will be more than happy to meet you face to face and also, bring your like minded retards with you and slowly but surely we the people of Canada can reunite this country back to us the true Canadians

    • Anonymous says:

      Sure there is jobs and may be a few people don’t want to work but you could give them a job of there choice and they still not going to work but what about the people who can’t afford to work for minimum wage jobs. What person would go to work all week to go in the hole at the end of the week… So employers pay nothing to TFW so now we can’t afford to work those jobs … I have noting against foreign people but they should not be working here unless full citizen of Canada..

    • Anonymous says:

      Terry you have no idea what your talking about. Shut the fuck up.

    • Anonymous says:

      Terry maybe when it’s your kids standing outside the unemployment office begging for one of the jobs they are giving to temporary Canadians you might have a different opinion about giving our jobs away.

    • Dan says:

      Not everyone comes to ( pick apples as you put it) many come as trades people and it’s been noted there are cases they were paid half the prevailing wage a Canadian doing the same work would be paid. They don’t have a mortgage here to pay .. Or living exspenses the Canadian worker woul have .. The money they make as you say gets shiped out of the country so it does nothing to help the economy here …it’s all about big fat cats lining there pockets with cheap labour..stagnate wages …drive them down ..it’s about corporate greed ..company’s pay nothing for our resources and that’s still not enough…in an active economy living standards should be dictated by supply and demand .. But by importing tfws in mass supply is taken out of the equation and tfws are used to attack wages and living standards …rather than sharing in the benifits of an active economy tfws were used to stagnate wages maximize profits for corporate pigs.. I would rather have seen wages bumped up for those who worked in fast food and places like Tim hortons .. I’m sure they too reaped the benifits of a booming economy .. They just didn’t share them with the working class

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m also going to jump on the “shut the fuck up Terry” bandwagon. As a taxpaying, law abiding Canadian who also contributes around 10% of his income to charities, giving my job away to a foreigner cripples my community in a small fashion. Multiply that by the ten of thousands of skilled trades and university trained unemployed that can’t find work you start seeing that we’re being sold down the river. Fuck the Conservatives, fuck the foreigners and fuck Terry.

    • Anonymous says:

      As a canadian citizen, I know how hard it is to find a job because of the TFW program. I applied to every place possible and didnt get one phone call. Then I heard about a job placement program. The program is a 22 week in which the goverment covers half the cost of my wage. I think it is bullshit that a canadian citizen willing to work has to go through such a hassle to find employment. Also, foreigners are not just taking the crap jobs no one wants. They are everywhere. Hotel chains, trucking, Grocery chains, fast food restaurants, canadian tire, walmart ( those two have to be the worst) And they are not even doing a good job at it…..Point is their is so many TFW now, that I feel like Im the foreigner in my own effin country!

      • Anonymous says:

        Did you stop a minute and asked those people which status they have? They all became Canadians but than their hair color or shin didn’t changed. So please stop to judge others ok? If Canada is were it is it is because all off you want the respectful jobs with a high salary and because you don’t get it you complain about those who are happy with less

    • Anonymous says:

      You should leave

    • TMB says:

      Terry, you pompous ass piece of know-nothing shit. The government pays half of the wages for tfw’s, and this is why companies hire them first. Some of us HAVE applied for these jobs, but because we are Canadian and they have to pay our full wage, they overlook us.
      Before you going spewing shit out of your mouth, get your head out of your ass and look and learn what is really going on in this country. Until then….fuck your hat.

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe some pick apples and dig potatoes but there are too many working highly paid oil patch jobs and others working in the construction industry for ridiculously low prices making it hard for the rest of us to compete. I can’t afford to work for what they’re charging unless I live in a house with ten other people

    • betty says:

      Gov’t needs to halt immigration until it cleans up its own back yard.

    • mike says:

      I bet you a lot more Canadians would be interested in filling those positions that “Canadians don’t want” if they would pay higher wages. But some of the richest people in the world won’t have to pay more money in order to fill those positions, because they can hire foreign labour to do it instead, which is not helping skilled Canadian workers.

    • Anonymous says:

      How dare you generalize like that. It is completely untrue that Canadians dont want some of those jobs. My daughter is a university student and has applied for quite a few of them. She has experience, is an honor student, & has volunteered for 5 yrs. Applied at 3 Timmies in her area. No callbacks. Yet you walk in & there are workers wearing “I’m training” name tags. So obviously ppl are being hired.Try ordering & you realize these workers barely understand English. Yet my Canadian kid cant get an interview. Something wrong with that picture. Saying ppl commenting dont know what its like in other countries is a tad presumptuous. Many of us have been to third world countries. Totally irrelevant. I have no issue with some “temporary” workers, , but some of them have been here 7 years & are still not willing to leave. we also dont need more workers than there are jobs for, and companies like Microsoft shouldn’t be able to import hundreds at a time. Especially without posting the jobs for Canadians first. As for leaving Canada because I disagree with you….ya, not gonna happen. I am 5th generation Canadian. My family has worked and paid taxes here for years so TFW’s could get free health care. Which I also disagree with btw. Have a nice day.

    • Craig says:

      Terry is correct… there are many jobs we can’t get Canadians, even the youth to do, why work when the parents hand out money left and right… many business’s rely on these foreign workers. My only concern is bringing in workers from countries whose lifestyle and culture is not compatable with ours, they fight to stay here , then they fight against us and our Gov’t to cater to them.

    • Anonymous says:

      You’re an idiot Terry, those TFW are here so companies can pay less than what they have to pay Canadians. They make those huge sacrifices you’re taking about because greedy corporations underpay them. If they made what they should they’d be living like kings when they (hopefully) went home.

    • Anonymous says:

      hey terry you don t read about it or what i am working in alberta and we seen to many time canadian been layed off and they been replace by ftw now tell did this make any sense to you this is a big scame between harper and the oil compagnie we have qualified worker in this country

    • Anonymous says:

      Except they aren’t “picking apples” they are taking jobs from skilled trades men. And the workmenship they produce on projects is atrocious and unsafe! Iv seen it project after project.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well said! It’s time we see who is doing all the whining and bitching. I hear again and again that so and so’s POOR little brat can’t get a job because of tfw’s. I hav checked out several of these whiners. In their towns there have always been these entry level jobs available. Not once did I find a total lack of jobs. I talk to the employers, and guess what, the poor little brat in most cases told parents they applied everywhere, but never did. In several cases the poor little brat had been fired in several jobs, often for theft. And no one wants to hire them again? Who can imagine why not!

    • Anonymous says:

      terry…. i have been in the trades for years… from helicopter engineering, to carpenter, to motorcycle apprentice… i just completed my welding certification and am having a hell of a time finding work…. we don’t need the foreign workers to take our jobs…. if it was just picking potatoes and other jobs canadians don’t want to do…. it makes sense… thats not what’s happening here…. companies are bypassing us to save themselves a few bucks by employing foreign workers… then the companies use this as a wedge… to push us to have unions sign contracts that state “no wobbling” (no strikes) just so we get the job before others do… but at what cost?! our rights are taken away and we must put up with it or they will bring in other, less skilled workers who are more willing to sacrifice saftey, time, etc ….. so we are left to have our rights stripped away to compete… they are trying to take away what we worked so hard to create… fair wage… safety… etc… wake up people… they trying to push unions out…. so we are all left to risk more and sacrifice more… take pay cuts etc…. so they can have more in their pockets at the end of the day! Forcing governments to give them tax breaks etc scummy little bastards they are! They may have found a way to slowly bring us back to the medieval industrial days!! Wake up!

    • Cory says:

      I personally am a tradesman and won’t pick apples unless I intend to eat them….my worry is our children, with TFW taking those summer jobs you did as a kid, where will my kids work? How will they gain experience? They apply and are turned away yet again…look at the staff and listen next time you get a coffee… My now young adult children CANNOT get work at mcdonalds even!! When our skilled canadian retire or die an the next generation has no work history then what? Canada will have an unskilled workforce!! Look at the big picture…all those wages paid to bolster the economy of other countries?? Canadians spend their money in Canada….bleeding heart liberalism has screwed this country’s economy too many times, until we all have a job there is NO NEED for TFW!!!!

    • Anonymous says:

      This isn’t true I work for a large company and they hired a bunch of philipinos to do skilled work, the jobs were not posted so no canadian could apply for it. And what is worse when they got here they wernt skilled enough to do the jobs they were hired to do. So now we have a crop of guys we don’t understand and they can’t do the job they r required to do so that puts more pressure on us to make up for their short comings.

    • Sandra says:

      Terry, I am a Canadian Citizen been here since I was born. Within the last 2 years I was turned down for several jobs…. Because I wasn’t the right shade of brown.
      You say that foreign workers make great sacrifices coming here? WE MAKE GREAT SACRIFICES BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE!!!!!!!
      I have been in their shoes, living on the street no money no help. So don’t tell me about their sacrifices.
      Do you go out picking fruit or digging potatoes? I think not. Now who’s the hypocrite? You tout these ftws coming here yet think that all CANADIANS are what too LAZY? No that’s not it the reason we are bitching is because you corporates are GIVING our jobs to them under the guise of “oh we HAVE to have ### many ftws working here.
      You know what get a life and try hiring CANAIANS

    • Becky says:

      as a canadian born citizan I can NOT get a job I have experience, skill set, and training for….I work a minimum wage job and support a family of 4 on it….I could make more money on welfare if I chose that path….I can not get the positions I apply for because they hire less skilled foreign workers and I am left struggling….I want to work but can not get the jobs….I do not resent the foreign workers as they are just trying to survive like the rest of us…I blame the gov and employers for this…..

    • Anonymous says:

      Terry you are such a Fuck Tard. In short,Fuck the temporary program,get all the lazy fucker off the welfare program….which I’m sure there are millions on it. Get them to pick the fruit, clean the shoulders of the roads and highways and any other job that might tend to be a bit shitty. But keep the foreign workers out until the welfare slate is cleaned up….As far as you Terry….you go pick cherries. …Otherwise get off your welfare ass or get out of our proud country of Canada….:)

    • Anonymous says:

      I’ve been denied a few jobs as a skilled worker to find out in fact the whole shop is filled with TFW. I’m not opposed to having them fill the spots, because let’s face it most Canadians are lazy and don’t want to work away from home. But when they are actually taking work from us. I get pretty pissed off.

    • Anonymous says:

      thanks terry four your reply.u know what u are talking about,

    • My Dad says:

      My two daughters have been looking for part time work for over a year. they apply at Wendy’s, McDonald’s, A&W, Walmart Timmies and Multiple Clothing store. Yet not one call back and they have been to them multiple times. Yet when I go to McDonald’s the employee has trouble speaking English. There are no jobs for teenagers because TFW have them all.

    • Jay says:

      First sensible comment on here.

      The level of Xenophobia online & in-the-media in our supposedly tolerant society shames our ancestors who pioneered and settled here from foreign lands.

    • Nicky says:

      Interesting.

    • SAGAR ARYAL says:

      I agree with Terry. If someone has a business (who hires low wages employee) or a good judgement he/she can understand all these things. Well written Terry. Great JOB!

      • Anonymous says:

        Your name alone would get you hired over me using my English name. The only reason you side with Terry is because you, yourself, is a foreigner who has no issue finding jobs. Try applying to jobs with an English Name. Don’t be biased, do that, come back and tell us how it went. Until then your opinion means zilch.

    • SAGAR ARYAL says:

      But one bitter fact… some employers don’t want to hire Canadians if they have choice of foreign worker. I had applied for many McDonalds, Tim Hortons and other fast food restaurant for somebody but none called him for an interview, even more than 50% of their employees were foreign worker.

      • Anonymous says:

        You can’t even form a correct sentance using proper English.

        • Sagar Aryal says:

          Thank you my friend. You would be surprised if I say, I am blessed with six figured salaried job!
          Even I would be out of job, I would share my food with(helping all) guys like you and stay happier.

    • aryanna says:

      We are Hipocrites? We must first walk in their shoes? We should come down from our high horses and and learn to work?
      First of all you are the hypocrite
      pretending that you have much higher values than everyone else putting yourself on a podium telling the rest of us we’re shit.I have nothing against someone coming from another country when offered work with a good chance at fast tracked citizenhip.If the trend continues young Canadians may find themselves having to accept work in another country. B If Harper has his way big corps in Canada will only hire tfws in order to pay less in wages and Harper’s share will be the thousands upon thousands of new fast tracked Canadian votes for the corrupt gov that made this possible for himself and corporate Canada.
      I’m guessing you don’t read alot Terry or you would by now be aware that so many desperate tfws have come forward to tell how badly they themselves have been treated by big corps in Canada, how they are made to work so many extra hrs without pay, how in many cases their passports are witheld by their boss and they are told to shut up and do as they are told or risk deportation. They also resent having to work for less than minimum wage and have to pay extremly high costs for lodging and food even though they someone’s live 5 to a room all set up by the corp that brings them into Canada.And just to keep you informed of your blundering brain lets not forget that every dollar sent back to another country is a dollar not spent in this country buddy.
      Employers including the Harper gov were proven to have used places like kijiji to track job ads not being filled in this country as a way to justify bringing in tfws.
      It has been proven that kijiji job applications are advertised in 3 or more places at once and if you have half a brain you will know that this means Harper and tfw employers were caught cheating in order to justify bringin in cheaper labour.Further to that when approached Harper gov said oh.. sorry we were not aware of triple plus repeat of ads…
      Better still many Canadians looking for work applied and received many different answers ranging from, you are not qualified(for their own trade!) You must now speak cantonese (for safety reasons),job post has been filled, (although the postings were left open for months)
      I’m guessing you’re a Harper base voter and you sit back and enjoy a lg. Pension or good wages cause you still have a union to protect your rights as a worker and you actually think you’re better than everyone else!
      Well bud you’re not you’re ignorant of all facts because you’re not smart enough to try to keep up on whats really happening to democracy and a right to fair and equitable employment in Canada which is an entitlement you received in your younger days and yet you care about no one else but yourself it seems now after taking advantage of all your entitlements you want no one else to have a chance .

    • Anonymous says:

      the man or woman who wrote this comment parently is either not Canadian or has never been to Ontario Ontario see what its like up there then tell me you want more immigrants

    • Shannon says:

      When you say “Canadians won’t take these jobs” what you mean is “Canadian’s won’t take them for what the employers want to pay them”.

      It’s called the free market, something you conservatives are constantly shouting the glories of – except when it doesn’t come your way.

      If you can’t find people to pick apples from you, you’re either not paying enough or you’re a crappy place to work. Raise your wages or clean up your act. Don’t expect the government to ship in new workers for you.

    • Anonymous says:

      Actually I’ve seen several foreign workers with nice vehicles, iPhone, iPads and other gadgets I’ve never been able to afford. They buy exspensive purses and everything. I seen several of them abuse their privileges. They even take their money back home and buy stuff next to nothing. Bring it back to Canada and sell it to make extra money on the side. They arnt just getting the jobs people dont want. But actually they have been taking jobs that Canadians apply for as well. They employed a foreign worker at a job my dad applied for. Over him. It’s getting out of control.

    • ken says:

      Candains first let’s stop imgeration is wrecking this country

    • Anonymous says:

      If we made the lazy canadian bums work instead of giving them welfare we could solve two problems less on the system and no need for foreign workers no work no cheque simple as that if they had to work without the easy handout or starve i bet they choose to work

      • Retired Ironworker says:

        IT’S (CANADA) not Kanada, totally insulting!

        • Retired Ironworker says:

          I hope you understand that posting such rude and hateful things just might bite you or someone you care for in the ass, by just building up the tension and hate . You cant really care for your fellow FW friends by fanning the flames of hate so much.

          Just something to think about.

      • expose says:

        many canadians are out of work by no fault of their own and they have ran out of their employment insurance so you should double check first the real stories of people who might end up on welfare and guess what a family with two children get after they run out of their unemployment insurance-$1150 a month. Thats right a husband and wife and 2 children are allowed $1150 a month. Considering many of these unemployed used to pay taxes of 15,000 to 25000 a year and by no fault of their own lost their job and ended up for 8 months on ei of $500 per week or $2000 a month and then are expected to live on $1150 a month with a mortgage car loan car insurance and then are still trying to find a job then perhaps when you might end up in this position you will not look at the guy on welfare and think of him as a bum. Many of these people have become quite depressed so maybe they dont keep up on that great hairstyle or perhaps wear jammy pants as they are depressed. If you were to go and do a study you might find out how many canadians are living on peanuts to survive until the next job appears or maybe their children are helping to support them instead of being on the small handout.

    • Anonymous says:

      Tfws are not simply picking apples and low skilled jobs .. They are being used as a tool in the oil patch … Trades/ trucking and elsewhere. they are being used to stagnate earnings and drive wages down. An active economy runs on supply and demand .. But take supply out of the equation by importing cheap labour that will work for a wage that a Canadian cannot afford to work for and the biggest bennifiters of that are rich corporate hogs… If it continues long enough it destroys living standards of the middle class and it time the economy will collapse .. Become third world with no middle class at all … Only the poor and filthy rich … If wages are allowed to be driven down by importing cheap labour and the cost of living continues to increase you wake up one day find you are poor …. And then they can import tfws that will work for half the wages present tfws are paid and go after your job ..tfws have a use and place .. But there must be HONEST demand for them and they should be paid CANADIAN living standard wages …not used like tools to fatten corporate pockets and thrown away after they take there billions ..

    • Anonymous says:

      Terry why should we as a government subsidize Tim Horton owners who don’t want to pay a living wage?

    • Natalie says:

      Thank you Terry. Most educated comment I’ve seen on this thread thus far.

    • james says:

      i feel what you have just said. thank you

    • Anonymous says:

      U got a mail order bride.

    • Anonymous says:

      Maybe you should make a sacrifice move out of our country you brain dead fuck

    • rob says:

      Tery you must be making good money on the back of these people. Sure greedy people like you will definitely like this situation because all you care is money so you can rob from such people but not Canadians. I will pick the apple but will pay me the minimum wage plus overtime and health care. I guess no thats why you want helpless needy foreigners so you can maximize your greed.

    • Anonymous says:

      Good comment

    • Anonymous says:

      ????

  3. Anonymous says:

    This biggest issue isn’t that they’re here “picking apples”. They’re here doing construction trades as “laborours”. The system is abused and needs to stop. Starting by not assisting greedy canadian employers with cheap foreign labour.

    • Anonymous says:

      Agree. Better controls are needed.

    • Anonymous says:

      There are some Canadian employers that do take advantage of foreign workers. But there is way more employers that don’t. I have foreign workers employed with me and they get the same pay and they get treated just the same as Canadians. At least the foreign worker show up every day. You can’t count on A lot of Canadian workers in my industry because they’re always calling in sick for the littlest thing.

      • deleted says:

        They also use Tfw’s to reduce safety costs which will hurt us all.

      • Dan says:

        Yes they get paid the same … And ten years from now they will still get paid the same … And so will you .. The same wage you earn now .. Only in a decade it won’t go as far as living costs will increase … In two decades you will no longer be a middle class Canadian worker you will be the working poor.the tfws will be used as wage control for corporate greed …don’t want the job ??? Hey no problem … Abdul will work for half what we pay you … Welcome to the future !

      • Steve Ballantyne says:

        They want only the best shifts, they want to do as little as possible, then they complain that tfw’s are stealing the work. Everywhere I have checked says the same, wages hav gone UP wherever the tfw’s are. And you don’t GAIN by hireing a TFW, except the gain of a GOOD worker. The TFW costs more, and needs a bit of help to adapt, but they show up for work, work hard, and don’t complain!!!

        • Shannon says:

          Of course they don’t complain, because if they do they get shipped back to the shithole countries they came from. News flash, we built this country so we don’t have to take the shit you put out.

      • Anonymous says:

        like

      • aryanna says:

        Please prove what you’re saying with a little info so we can verify.
        Tfws working for minimum wage may feel like they’re way ahead of themselves and can even send a little back home but that doesn’t apply to Canadians who may be paying for a house, a family, a car or a Canadian life style which Canadians have as they should or are you trying to tell us that ftws work side by side with Canadians that are getting a decent wage???
        Its common knowledge that temporary foreign workers are brought into Canada from developing countries because they are a cheap labor source period.

      • Brian says:

        well maybe you need to start paying your Canadian workers more money or start looking harder for better Canadian workers just got hired for nerds we got enough of them in here now I’d like to get rid of some

    • Hayley says:

      Exactly. He totally missed the point of this article.

    • Anonymous says:

      Totally Agree

    • Steve Ballantyne says:

      the problem isn’t the workers Comming here and doing the work, the problem is with the whiney assholes that hate anyone not exactly like themselves. Guess what people, your ancestors came here and got jobs too,. Maybe someone should hav sent them home?? We have a declining population, even with immigrants. We have a population too damn lazy to do entry level jobs, but they don’t want anyone from another country doing them either. We hav employers unable to find enuf workers, and those they do hire refuse shifts they don’t WANT to work. I’m all for a lot MORE tfw’s here, and offer them status after 2 years, not 4 years!

      • Shannon says:

        First off, idiot, our population is not declining, it’s growing. And if you can’t find enough workers, and the ones you can find are low quailty, it’s because you’re not paying enough or that you’re a lousy place to work. In your case, probably both.

      • Anonymous says:

        The difference between immigration 150 years ago and now is that back then there was oppourtunity. People made their own living and FORMED communities. Modern immigration is about corperate greed and reducing wages. If you do not see the difference then you got a lot of reading up to do. Seems you are still accepting the lie.

  4. Brian says:

    You guys should just consider it has nothing to do with the people in *either* country. It’s pure corrupt politics, simple as that. Left, Right, Cons, Liberals, it doesn’t matter, they are all different heads on the same beast. Democracy has had 250 years to solve the problem of world hunger, world homelessness, and world need, and what has it accomplished? Made rich people richer, and as always, poor people poorer. *People* are not the problem, organized corruption is.

    • linda says:

      Democracy isn’t the problem, it’s Capitalism.

    • Anonymous says:

      I am with you on your comment, I think us as Canadians have to stand up and over throw the government and take Canada back for the people, harper is screwing this country at an astonishing rate, faster than any other corrupt politician in the past and yes I said corrupt because each and everyone was and will continue to be as lond as we the people let them, so lets stand up Canada and recover what is left of our great country!!!!!

      • Steve Ballantyne says:

        And YOZu could run canada better? You are the spawn of an immigrant, so don’t act like your shit don’t stink. We hav a country envied by the whole world, and YOU say it is all corrupt and bad??? Visit the countries these tfw’s come from. Experience their lives there. Probably find it is exactly what your ancestors left to come here. The only difrence? There wernt all the bigots like you to complain about them.

  5. Chad says:

    All you idiots saying the tfw’s are here picking apples etc,.. You are f,,k,.. Retards!!! I am a hard working union tradesman of 18 years! They are taking our jobs you retards!!!! And theses ppl are taking over in every god dam sector. They are in every dam store I go to. Every trade I work with including my own. These ppl can’t even learn bloody English! They barely know what their doing half the time. I don’t care what their problems in their own country are. That isn’t our problem to fix! We have our own problems in our country. But ya keep speaking about how great tfw’s are for our country from sitting on your couch. Intelligent aren’t you.

    • anonymous says:

      I agree with you 100% as someone trying to get into the trades out of a trades college im struggling to find work

    • FRANK says:

      Chad my friend I am 100% on your side I know of an incident out in Fort McMurray (suncore site) where these foreign workers were about to use a tiger torch to thaw out a frozen highly explosive pipe line valve and just by chance a boiler maker tradesman (white Canadian) seen them headed off with the torch and stopped them and asked what they were up to, (knowing all to well that the direction they were headed had no business what so ever to have open flame any where’s near it) and they explained to him their intentions, now if there wasn’t this intervention myself and 130,000 people in all the surrounding sites and communities would be already dead, This country is ours and we need to defend it tooth and nail, maybe a civil war is in order and I will be at the front line so my children and their future children will not have to starve to death as a result of not having the opportunity to work to pay bills and put food on the table

      • Anonymous says:

        I too have seen this first hand. I had to work UNDER these people and correct them on their knowledge of the work at hand numerous times a day. It got to the point where they started following me as the leader and let me drive since they couldn’t even drive without being a threat to others on the road. The kicker? I was getting paid $16/hr and the “TFWs” we’re making $26. Even worse? The one TFW brought in a family, two adult females and four Children. Claimed them as his family, guess what? They were not! They get their licences from corrupt foreigners in Calgary. Literally get licences from their own people Illegally, work illegally, and yet somehow they can work jobs where you must report income? How do these companies get away with hiring these people and still not end up on CRAs watch list? Fucking sickening!

    • Steve Ballantyne says:

      Chad, would you like me to donate a few white sheets so you can make yourself new evening wear? Read the rules about TFW program, and read a bit, the workers doing the TRADE work arnt in the TFW program. That is only for the shit jobs Canadians won’t do. I’d love to see YOU work in these stores, these fast food joints, cleaning rooms in hotels, etc. I bet you couldn’t last a week at that. Respect the people that do those jobs, I fear they are better people then you are!

      • Shannon says:

        I don’t know about them, but you’re pretty despicable.

        A couple hundred years ago, you’d be defending the slave industry.

      • Anonymous says:

        To Steve. These people come in with fake documents. Fake degrees and fake work histories all fabricated in their own countries. I know this as a fact because I have numerous foreign worker friends who admit to the fake documents and fake schooling. One quit his job and went to another, when that company figured out the truth they fired his ass. He went straight back to the company he left and got the job again. All the while the boss had a stack of resumes from Canadians and ignored them.

  6. I´m glad I left long time,indeed,many years ago, that snowny everland, of cold wheather and cold people, a hyphotetical superior race akin to that of mad Hitler´s arians during the war period,but I´m still much concerned for the safety, security of dozens of my next of kin,relations,mostly nowadays native children and first generations of international marrige/blood stock residing over there…… (probably also considered aliens,despite being born in canadian soil,for they are not WASPs or POMEs,either bearing surnames or profiles)..as for myself,despite performing nearly 8 years of second rate jobs,hard and low paid occupations, shamefull tasks such as toilet cleaner,dishwasher,gas filler,pizza delivery person and the like,I always endured strongly,yet with a great deal of stress,various accusations that I was stealing their jobs and shoulda depart at once to where I did belong..so finaly I did,remorseless,pennyless too…. now,fuck you very much,stink canadians,I have no regrets of leaving and living poorer,dweling in my homeland but with regained dignity of seeing the back of you all,forever….Just hope you equaly remain at your grey and sunless nation,indoors, where you can keeping on worshipping with false pride, all those royal asses parasites across the ocean, who still influence and rules canadian society,a clear indication of one people who have no self respect, esteem or hability for any complete sovereignity….

    • Anonymous says:

      Erius, prime minister Hitler says you are welcome to come back anytime

    • Anonymous says:

      Erarius, how about you spread your attitude with the rest of your country and stay the %**% out!

    • FRANK says:

      Earius, thank you for getting to fuck out off our country, the only thing I wish is that you would have taken every last one of your good for nothing useless bunch of cock suckers with you

    • Steve Ballantyne says:

      Don’t group all Canadians like that, or we can say things too. All forein workers abuse their women, sell their children, steal everything not nailed down, etc. That statement isn’t true, but neither was yours. You OWE many of us an apology. I’ve bent over backwards to support the very things you accuse me of not doing. You make people glad they are putting the TFW program down. Grow up and don’t group us all together!!

  7. Kim says:

    who is to say that if these employers keep giving them countries all the work to save a buck that Canada will not find that our country will soon be in poverty just like theirs and who will give us jobs to save our families

    • deleted says:

      If we all work for low wages then how do we get by. Corporate greed escalates every year. They make hard working Canadians feel guilty for there pay cheque. When does it stop. We will all be in bread lines before you know it.

  8. Robert says:

    Albertans face high inefficiency in their communities for wasted energy from electricity and heat, and even wasted food sent to garbage, which has value. Anyone looking for some extra cash should contact Neutopia immediately as they are a Canadian company with huge expansion needs across all of Canada. They need Ambassadors to walk into every building and get a simple ten-minute questionnaire filled out. The answers are sent immediately to HQ and able to come up with solutions to save that building on energy and waste, while Neutopias profits are re-invested into Community Empowerment programs. Their next free online training is first week of April. All ages all skills all backgrounds. Even a 12 year old with a smartphone can earn great pay (while getting a scholarship!).

    • Anonymous says:

      Neutopia sounds like some Orwellian nightmare conjured by Harper. Anyway, take your dystopian spam somewhere else.

  9. A Canadian says:

    Bottom line is that Canadians should be hired first, not get laid and given the experience for young or new to the industry Canadian the opportunity. I would rather see a young inexperienced Canadian the opportunity to learn a Trade then some half ass foreigner whos here for the money. TFWs sign a contract that says its Temporary. This I Canada and TFWs shouldn’t be all to have a say in our country. We Canadians have to Fight for the next generation, Change the laws that Harper is trying to implement. Canadians First!!!

  10. Lynn says:

    when the EI runs out many Canadians would be happy to take some of this work and should be preferred over TFW. How much tax are the Feds losing due to this scheme that will have to come from somewhere

    • Anonymous says:

      EI is Canadian and will last longer then Provincial Income Support like that in Alberta. The think is it’s already happening in Alberta where Canadians are refused Income support. Told to appeal. When the appeal gets denied they cannot apply again. I have been out of work since July 1st. I’ve sent out 89 resumes to jobs I am qualified for. Not one response. I applied to income support, told twice I was denied and told to appeal. They said “Its our new policy”…Well that is a lie. Their website states that I would be eligible for Income support yet the daft cunt on the Phone said I can only apply if 1) I have a job setup and have a delay before employment/pay or 2) Medical note/doctor saying I cannot work(which also must have a timeframe). This is exactly how the government fabricates fake unemployment numbers. The figures do not apply for people who are refused EI/AIS/AISH. I’m about ready to start a party that is National Socialist. Hitler gave over 6 million Germans jobs in only two years. He was against Zionist corruption and was fixing Germany. He got greedy, trying to push the Soviets and took more land then he originally intended. This lead to the collaboration of the Zionists to overthrow Germany and reinstill their control over the country. Now look at Germany. It’s back to the same shit that Hitler fixed and then had ruined by the Zionists. Canada is no different then WW1 Germany except for the sanctions and land loss.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Maybe If you were dealing with Canadian investors and companies you wouldn’t be treated like TFW’s in your country. Are there any?

  12. koalla says:

    I have solution to all of this …. make it mandatory to pay “TFW’s” 2 dollars/per hour more then their Canadian counterparts and watch those jobs fill up by Canadians.
    That was easy!

    • Gracie says:

      I always thought that too. If they had to pay them more than they have to pay us, that stupid crooked program would end in no time.

    • Gisele says:

      Hello Everyone on that site, well I read over all your comments, some are bing on it some are dreamers or hypocrites more of those than the first category I’m a business owner for 17 years and i can tell I can’t take this bullshit anymore, you only good in one thing and it is to complain. The facts are Canadians or PR doesn’t want to work is certain industry such as cleaning, yeah some young students accepting housekeeper position in hotels but only for a short time, than they move on to different department, I used to work in several hotels such as Fairmont and the only housekeepers who did a great job and were reliable were the TFWs, without them hotels would struggle to keep not only the quality of their rooms but more important their rooms cost. So, you wonder why your hotel rooms are more and more expensive, well there you have the answers, because Canadians want to get paid more for a low quality of services and are not reliable. Now, I pay not only my TFWs more but also Canadians, I have job offers everywhere and guess who are applying? Canadians? PR? yeah in your dreams, not even one, or than few are applying but they do come without any experiences, so now we have 2 choice, we as employer we hire them and we train them which right there we will face issue, I pay those few Canadians the same salary as TFWs because I believe everybody should get the same rights , it is give and receive, but those Canadians are not as productive because they have no idea of the job requirement, than they are so sensitive you just can’t approach them with job issues if you do they are gone if they are not gone before because as they say “I notice that this type of job isn’t for me” so now not only you losed them but also your time and money. In my industry TFWs are they only one who are doing the job, who are staying years if you keep them and they represent the company with proud. Now, ask yourself why would a small business hire TFWs if Canadians or PR are available to do the same job? I mean, we as employer wouldn’t have to pay $$$$$ for advertising, flight tickets, $1000 per LMIA, we wouldn’t have to provide staff accomodations and have to provide them with transportations, it would be less expensive for us, so ask yourself why are we as employer going through some much trouble and expenses if Canadians a more then happy to take the job? why the heck do I not get any resume from you? do you want to know why? because you all believe that you worse more than that, no way that a Canadian want to go down that way it is not prestigious enough to clean, better working in a McDonalds or Tim Hortons. So did you get it why we need TFWs?

      • Dan says:

        I have a Canadian business … And I proudly say I pay above industry standards for wages and I employ CANADIANS. I have a very small turnover rate for requiring new workers because I treat my employees fairly and in doing so they gained as well as me from a booming Alberta economy. It’s the right thing to do .. Like me I’m sure other businesses ( that are so busy they absolutely have to hire tfws) could try sharing in the benefit from a busy economy…step up to the plate and share some of that revenue the economy has brought to your door step… And you might find you do not need those tfws after all …. But then again .. I’m small business .. I wish to make money of course .. But I put Canadians and people first ahead of the almighty dollar..

      • Anonymous says:

        Gisele, just judging by your name. Your a foreigner, or a greedy buisness owner and you know dam well that you get subsidized for every TFW. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!

        • Anonymous says:

          Note at all I’m an permanent immigrante since 26 years and I came in the country with my own money and family. I chose to immigrate not because I had too but because I wanted too, I wanted to show my kids difference percepectives from different country. When you immigrate from a country such as France you do not have leave, if you do it is because your life vision is bigger than yours, for me the world that we live on is round and humans put boarders on it. I don’t really care the name of countries but their people and opportunities that is given to me. Let me know you ignorante hypocrite that immigrates are helping your country economy not the other way around. Because you do not get a permanante visa without a healthy bank account. Than once you are in the country you have first to build your credit history so that being said you have to buy everything a family need eith your own cash. So let make the calculation!!!! Entire household, cars, winther clothing for an 6 and than all school materials oh and also all sports equipments and I must forget few, also I didn’t stell anybody jobs I create jobs. When going on vacation I spend my money within Canada what about you Canadians crying about those Foreign workers? Oh yeak Mexico, cuba, republic dominican etc? Yeah why are you not keeping your money in your country? By the way for how many years are you a immigrate? Did your grand pa do the move? So that you can open you dirty mouth? He would be achaimed to read what you are writing, a little Canadians history? Where are you all originally coming from? A individual who talk and think as you well never achieve good in his life, you believe because you have the Canadian passport you have the right to look down on foreigners? You little, small person…….

          • Shannon says:

            TFW’s are not immigrants. They’re a different thing entirely. A means of doing an end-run around the system.

      • Sandra says:

        We don’t NEED TFW’s! We need BETTER employers!

      • Shannon says:

        Paid them equally well? You mean equally poorly.

        “Oh, woe is me, most people don’t want to spend their lives washing sheets and cleaning dishes.” Yeah, that was kinda the point of building an educational system, so that YOU WOULDN’T HAVE TO.

        Can’t find good people? Pay more money. Simple as that. No reason you shouldn’t have to compete for good workers.

    • Steve Ballantyne says:

      I’d pay 2 bucks an hour more for the TFW, because I would get 4 or 5 times the work out of them, without all the complaints I wud get from Canadians!

  13. Jake says:

    And that is the issue right there. Gisele, you seem to be implying that canadians are not worth hiring. How dare you. If you live in this country and are a proud canadian how dare you even suggest such a horrible notion. The fact that you state that you cant maintain canadian employees is caused by your lack of ability as a supervisor. Im sure if we spoke with employees who have moved on because ‘the job was not for them’ they would tell us that working for you was a nightmare. Your reputation has gone around and nobody wants to work for you because you are a ‘horrible boss’. You should be replaced and then maybe your company would be able to keep workers on board. Instead you cheat. You cheat by bypassing the system and delving into a pool to which you shouldnt have access. A pool which contains willing slaves who will do whatever you want without backtalk. You make me sick. People like you should be deported to one of the countries that you hire from. You are a scumbag point and case. Also the fact that you say you have been in business for 17 years and yet do not even have proper spelling or grammatical abilities leads me to conclude that you are either a foreign worker yourself or simply uneducated and a fake. Ive had it with people like you. You are entitled to your opinion by all means but do us all a favor and keep it to yourself. Youre an uneducated mess of a human being.

    • Anonymous says:

      Agree with Jake

    • Anonymous says:

      Agreed!

    • Anonymous says:

      Hello Jack,

      Note at all, I never says such thing. I only said if Canadians would apply, would be reliable I would be more than happy to hire them. I wouldn’t have to pay for advertizing, I wouldn’t have to pay for flight tickets to get those Foreigners in to the country, I wouldn’t have to pay $1000per LMIA and I wouldn’t have to do their taxi because foreigners doesn’t drive. So, that Is the reality of any business owners in Canada, why would we agree de pay all those expenses if we had Canadian candidates? Also, I never had a Jack as employee so either you are hiding behind a fault name or you do say things that you have no idea about. I can say proudly that none of my employees never was let go nor left my company because their weren’t happy. The few Canadians that I had in 17 years left, because they went back to school or because they do not give quality of services and they couldn’t stand to be approached about their poor cleaning services. So stop to spread lies out, You know Jack or such there are ways to figure out were your messages are coming from and lying is a offence that is judge in a court of law. I can see that you are a bitter human and your attitude isn’t showing anything that anyone here can take seriously. Oh and than how many languages do you speak? also we are not debating about ME but about a immigration law in it affect on the Canadians economy.

      • Sandra says:

        Gisele/Anonymous whatever you want to call yourself at the time :
        1st. A NOTE is something you got kicked out of class for in high school.
        2nd. YOU said “The facts are Canadians or PR doesn’t want to work is certain industry such as cleaning, yeah some young students accepting housekeeper position in hotels but only for a short time, than they move on to different department, I used to work in several hotels such as Fairmont and the only housekeepers who did a great job and were reliable were the TFWs, without them hotels would struggle to keep not only the quality of their rooms but more important their rooms cost. So, you wonder why your hotel rooms are more and more expensive, well there you have the answers, because Canadians want to get paid more for a low quality of services and are not reliable. Now, I pay not only my TFWs more but also Canadians, I have job offers everywhere and guess who are applying? Canadians? PR? yeah in your dreams, not even one, or than few are applying but they do come without any experiences, so now we have 2 choice, we as employer we hire them and we train them which right there we will face issue, I pay those few Canadians the same salary as TFWs because I believe everybody should get the same rights , it is give and receive, but those Canadians are not as productive because they have no idea of the job requirement, than they are so sensitive you just can’t approach them with job issues if you do they are gone if they are not gone before because as they say “I notice that this type of job isn’t for me” so now not only you losed them but also your time and money. ”
        Care to eat that crow cold or would you like it warmed up?

      • Sandra says:

        you are talking about one industry….. we are talking about ALL OF THEM.
        Go back where you came from

    • Shannon says:

      Boo-yah!

  14. Tlaplante Laplante says:

    The government gave our country away long ago they come here like robots is how they are trained we will all afto learn there language because the government has no back bone

  15. Scorn says:

    I would says that Giselle is probably French which would account for her slight grammar/spelling issues, which is still better than most English borns I might add. And I agree with her. Dan I call outright liar. Every employer in Canada is sick of self centred Canadians that believe this country and the world owes them something and that they should not have to work hard for a paycheck. That is not to say every Canadian is like that, just the majority. You talk to any old-school tradesman and they will say the same thing.. these new kids wouldnt survive a day in their jobs 20 years ago. I am 35 years old and proudly married to an ex TFW now PR and she works harder in a day than some Red Seals do in a week, and in fact was mocked for taking pride in her work. I am a roofing foreman and with very few exceptions, would rather have unskilled but highly trainable TFWs than Red Seal untrainable self important better than thou roofers that already think they know everything. And as for Jake, Im not implying that ALL Canadians are not worth hiring, just the majority of them like yourself. You call her uneducated, but I say it is more likely that you speak of that which you dont know, which more plainly said, is that you sir are uneducated. Let us face it, many Canadians are spoiled with their lives, comparitively to most TFW’s, and want easy lives requiring little in the way of real work. Those types DO NOT DESERVE JOBS OVER TFW’S, they also DO NOT DESERVE EI OR WELFARE. They deserve a boot camp or a 2 year vacation to a 3rd world country of choice where most TFWs come from for a real education. If you people want Canadians to get Canadian jobs, lose the arrogance and learn how to learn and learn how to work. Stop believing that all the world owes you something. Stop believing that half of the work is beneath you. Sometimes, when you are better trained at your job you have to do the less menial more skilled work than the new hires, but not always. Find a detail that the new hires can do, teach them how, then spend some time doing the dirty crappy work for a while and let them do you clean cushy job for a while. Show them that nobody is above doing anything. And for god sakes dont waste time flaming me for my opinions. They are mine. I dont care what yours are because if you are mad with what I say, you are part of the problem. Also, I will probably not read your replies anyway.

    • Anonymous says:

      Oh gosh Scorn, thank you thousand times. your aren’t only right in your vision but you just protect a stranger which makes you a great man. By the way yes I’m french and german too what a mix hey?

      Gisele/Gisela

    • Sandra says:

      You sir should have been swallowed!

      Vous monsieur aurait été avalé!

      We have only two recognized languages in CANADA French and English

    • Sandra says:

      Get bent

    • Anonymous says:

      Scorn you are a shill and exposed yourself. You are generalizing Canadians, saying they don’t deserve to have a decent life in their own country. When shit hits the fan I hope everyone like you gets sent to the arctic or deported just like the rest of em.

  16. Anonymous says:

    send the fucking assholes back to their own country that would be all right with me it would be fucking great

  17. Anonymous says:

    I”m with you on that

  18. Steve Ballantyne says:

    I have to laugh at most of you. You can’t argue points with people supporting the TFW program, because you actually know they are right and you are wrong, so you flame them, and end up looking like the poster boy for the KKK. I enjoyed the intelligent posting by Gisele. She sounds much better educated then most of you bigoted idiots on here. It isn’t cheaper to hire TFW, it is far more expensive, and they are worth the cost,. And like she, I, and others said, all Canadians are immigrants. Maybe generations removed, but still. People, canada is considered one of the best countries in the world, but the younger generations are getting a reputation as bigots and racial haters. Do you want that reputation?

    • Sandra says:

      Gisele cant spell for starters and is an idiot.
      I was born here. Not an immigrant. I want to work. However am disabled and people like you are the reason I was told I wasn’t the right shade of brown to get a job at TIM HORTON’s (A CANADIAN COMPANY BTW). I was told because I wasn’t Filipino that I didn’t deserve the job. I was CANADIAN and didn’t NEED the job. I was told that I could go find a job else where. Well with very limited training and an illness that can strike me down at any moment with enough pain to knock an Elephant to its knees, I cant simply go get a job somewhere else. Gisele GO HOME AND TAKE THIS POMPOUS ASS WITH YOU

    • Anonymous says:

      For anyone agreeing with Steve, please realize that anyone who resorts to slandering people as xenophobes or KKK is himself, akin to those people. He will refute every statement with a slanderous term such as racist. Every single but job likes this is a hypocrite and uses these terms because they cannot form truly rational opinions that are unbiased. Every single person on here who claims others are extremists or kkk are simply there to undermine the truth with claims of racism. They clearly havnt a clue about the truth. Anyone who sides with Steve is themselves, a irrational lunatic.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Send them packing

  20. Anonymous says:

    and then when one of these immigrants decides to hate Canada and blow a building up and kill innocent people we will all scratch our heads in wonder why we let so many immigrants into this country. Im sure we could find Canadian citizens born here in Canada to fill jobs. Bunch of homeless people might want to be trained and put to work so they can put a roof over their head, maybe not all will think that way, but there has to be a better way then letting foreigners flood our country year after year, and then complain about Canadian traditions or customs, and rebel against us trying to get us to change our ways because they do not like it. Give you heads a shake and take of our own before lending hands out to people. Why should our government help them before helping our own.

  21. juan says:

    Hi there guys, I’m from Argentina.
    Do you happen to know if there’s any webpage for possible jobs?
    Thanks!

  22. Frank says:

    Most of you are incredibly uneducated on the matter. If you were let go from a company you only have yourself to blame. No employer will fire a good employee.

    TFW are the back bone of areas that are facing labour shortages. If these TFW werent working at Tims, would you?

    • Shannon says:

      Bullshit. Good employees get fired all the time by bad bosses. And if you’re suffering a labor shortage, it’s your own bloody fault, to throw your own words back at you.

  23. Vikram says:

    Hello.

    I work in kanada now. I from india. thank you. i make lot of money in alborta

  24. LPH says:

    In the document linked to ” Gazette notification by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.”, which has the URL…
    http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2015/2015-02-11/html/sor-dors25-eng.php
    … I cannot find the number 230,000 or 230 000

    I searched the text on both. Perhaps I am blind. Or perhaps there have been 176 pointless responses to this article. 177 counting mine.

  25. Anonymous says:

    I am a TFW and I am an IT professional in Nunavut. Yes I am taking a professional job but not snatching it from someone as no Canadian citizen or PR was ready to come here.

    • Anonymous says:

      You are missing the point entirely. Subsidized job? Was the job posted and readable by Canadians? Are you getting paid a normal wage? You don’t seem to understand that you got your job because of the corruption. You assume no Canadians would move or that they even had access to the job “posting”. I could find a busfull of Canadians who would take your job in an instant for proper pay.

  26. Angus says:

    I’ve heard lots of stories about TFWs with faked credentials in the skilled trades. Now I’m wondering how safe our own health care system is now.

    http://globalnation.inquirer.net/123246/uk-undercover-report-shows-trade-of-bogus-credentials-in-manila

    • Anonymous says:

      This. It’s real and has been admitted personally by TFWs who I know. My exgf took Schooling to be a Health Care worker, only to have her hours and jobs given to TFWs with “credentials” from their home countries. She was replaced numerous times and while employed struggled to have even half the hours of the TFWs. She finally gave up in the field and is forced to take further schooling. My fear is she will have the same issues as before.

  27. Jim says:

    I am a TFW (Ironworker) currently working in the oil sands. I make the same as everyone else here. I am not cheaper as many of you seem to believe. My skill level is not below the skills of a good Canadian ironworker…I in fact belong to the same international union that represents IWs in Canada.
    And there are PLENTY of jobs. Waiward, Moreau, SRS, PPEC and many others are all hiring ironworkers, welders, pipefitters, operators etc. at CNRL. No one seems to want the jobs!! Have you checked out indeed lately? TONS of work.
    I’ve found that many Canadian skilled tradesmen are just lazy and incompetent. There are good ones though, and they are the ones that stay working.

    • LPH says:

      You’re right Jim. I too have found that most TFWs outwork their Canadian counterparts. Maybe Canada should work on training the people we have by using skilled TFWs.

    • Angus says:

      Well said

    • jmallov says:

      There are a couple of very different things here.
      1. A union can bring in workers from the same union if there really aren’t workers available – this is to avoid letting the company go to non-union labour.
      2. I think it’s strange that you claim there are ‘plenty of jobs’ at a time when the oil patch has shed thousands of jobs, and along with it, many other industries are shedding jobs. The multiplier effect means that for each job lost there, the total is around 8 jobs lost.
      3. Job posting websites sometimes have ads for jobs already filled. A concerned pipefitter posted a fictional ad for trades in Alberta as a test. Over 100 people responded within a day. I got to see the emails triggered by the ad myself, and CBC reported on them.

      Canadians expose foreign worker ‘mess’ in oilsands
      By Kathy Tomlinson, CBC News
      Posted: Sept.1, 2014 Last Updated: Sept.1, 2014 Accessed Feb.16, 2015
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/canadians-expose-foreign-worker-mess-in-oilsands-1.2750730

      4. One proposal we put forth was that companies pay an extra 10% for using TFWs on top of a TFWs’ pay, with the money going to train workers here.

      • Anonymous says:

        I’m a tfw who drives a truck long haul and I can honestly say that very few canadians would want to do that job….yes canadians can drive a truck and do but most want to work part time…out 7 days and 4-7 days off…companies need drivers who can handle the work load…I’m single no kids and I be on the road long haul states and canada 7-8 weeks out before any off days…yes I take a day here or there off during the 7-8 weeks but it’s on the road..NOT HOME…I talk to twf and canadians and let me tell you…canadians want good pay for doing very little

    • Anonymous says:

      You are quoting CNRL who was exposed to be abusing the TFW program? You sir have much to learn. Do tell me how it is working around your own people and forcing out Canadians. Google CNRL for more info on their corruption.

  28. Anonymous says:

    I’m a tfw who drives a truck long haul and I can honestly say that very few canadians would want to do that job….yes canadians can drive a truck and do but most want to work part time…out 7 days and 4-7 days off…companies need drivers who can handle the work load…I’m single no kids and I be on the road long haul states and canada 7-8 weeks out before any off days…yes I take a day here or there off during the 7-8 weeks but it’s on the road..NOT HOME…I talk to twf and canadians and let me tell you…canadians want good pay for doing very little

    • Anonymous says:

      No Canadians want their worker rights upheld and want jobs with proper pay and proper time off. You working those hours is Illegal in itself. You fail to see the bigger picture.

  29. Angus says:

    I’m definitely not a lying shill posting made-up nonsense to help further the myth that Harper’s various foreign worker programs aren’t driving down wages across many industries. In much the same way, I’m definitely not being paid out of the 263 million *per year* the Harper government is spending for misinformation to be posted on social media.

    http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/08/03/ottawas_spin_doctor_payroll_rivals_that_of_the_commons.html

  30. Tony says:

    Conservatives wnt down to 2 seats in the 90’s. I hope it’s 0 seats for them this fall. That’s the only way we can fight this BS.
    TFW’s watch your backs;)

  31. ABC says:

    Good call Tony. The best way to do that is find out which candidate in your riding has the best chance of beating the CON candidate and voting for them. Sites like DefeatHarper.ca & votetogether.ca will have that info easily available. With any luck we can be rid of these clowns once and forever. It’s pretty obvious they’re not in power Corporation, not Canadians

  32. Anonymous says:

    Real talk why employers love to hire tfw rather than Canadian is tfw are hArd working people compare to some Canadians if not late at wok absent

    • Anonymous says:

      Seeing your grammar skills in action proves to me you are biased towards TFWs as you are one yourself. Your opinion literally holds no ground. Stop generalizing and try to form a point that is not complete bullshit.

  33. Bongo45 says:

    I’m reading many comments, and mention of supply & demand in regards to labour. What about supply & demand with regards to the consumption of the very products & services being produced? Aren’t the workers ALSO the consumers? Chop down worker wages = chop down customers’ ability to purchase from you. It’s not a one way street. Shortsighted greed for all parties involved, workers and owners. However the difference is for workers it’s one step to destitution whereas for owners it’s one less vacation or a lower level BMW. Will also add: Here’s a test: You have $5000 grand to put into a savings account. One account is 1% yearly return, another one is 3% yearly return. Which one does everyone go for? Obviously the 3% one. Keep in mind that you have no idea how the money is invested. That 3% savings account may be an investment into the very companies that we complain about. Yet here you are, blindly funding their future projects. Point being that “the people” aren’t completely innocent.

  34. KOR says:

    BIGMOUTH CANADA MAKES NOTHING IMPORTS ONLY JUNK SOON WE WILL THE WORLDS BIGGEST DUMP. JOBS AND WAGES ARE FALLING CORPERATE PIG PROFITS ARE RISING . THEN THEY WANDER WHY ISIS IS THRIVING

  35. anonymous says:

    I completely agree that its government’s policy to lure foreign nationalists .Every Foreign nationalist come to this country with a dream of better future.But Unfortunately even after spending good amount of money for your education ,they aren’t able to get a good job.They have to work more harder,sacrifice their lives to get a better future.I think bureaucrats have played worse role so far.Canada is no more a land of opportunities

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